I think this little furore actually might help might help Obama because a lot of voters are confused and think that he is or was a Muslim so there is a limit too as to what the right wing 527s' can do about portraying him under the spell of a fanatical Christian gospel minister. That will only dominish their equal insistence that he is Muslim at the same time..The real racists will never vote for Obama but who wants their votes anyway. They don't need an excuse not to vote against Obama.

Obama is very formidable in his knowledge of the Bible..I imagine he can run rings around McCain, concerning the Bible or most any other subject.

McCain only finished 720th of 725th at the Naval Academy, when he graduated, George W. Bush type marks, and Bush was much better than McCain in their GOP debates in 2000.

...so there is a limit too as to what the right wing 527s' can do about portraying him under the spell of a fanatical Christian gospel minister.

Wright wasn't preaching the Gospel (maybe you haven;t picked up on that nuance) and the only thing to which he's fanatically devoted is racial politics. The fact you call him a "Christian gospel minister" shows unthinking and ignorant that statement is. The Gospel, literally meaning "Good News," is what all Christian ministers/priests/pastors preach, in theory. Sometimes, however, you get men like Wright, who use the pulpit given to them for other polemics.

His statements fly in the face bedrock Christian doctrine and this church has gone so far as to give an award to Louis Farrakhan, a racist radical Muslim black separatist. One then has to ask, can he even be considered a Christian?

Obama is very formidable in his knowledge of the Bible..I imagine he can run rings around McCain, concerning the Bible or most any other subject.

Yes, because we all know that Senator Obama to be an intellectual giant among men, the same way Al Gore invented the internet...

Making some assertions and then launching into uncritical, fawning devotion isn't an argument. The fact that Obama is charismatic and articulate is not to be denied, but exaggerating those qualities doesn't make him look any better. It just makes you look foolish.

McCain only finished 720th of 725th at the Naval Academy, when he graduated, George W. Bush type marks...

And Bush's average GPA was 2.8, as opposed to Kerry's 2.7. Yet I don;t presume to judge a person's intelligence just by that alone. If you had bothered to do even a modicum of research, such as, I don't, look up his Wikipedia entry, you might have come across this:

"Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy. He was a friend and leader for many of his classmates, and stood up for people who were being bullied; he was also a feisty lightweight boxer. McCain had run-ins with higher-ups and he was disinclined to obey every rule, which contributed to a low class rank (894/899) that he did not aim to improve. McCain did well in academic subjects that interested him, although he gained at least one hundred demerits; his graduation in 1958 gave him an opportunity to show the same mettle as his naval forbears."

I think this little furore actually might help might help Obama because a lot of voters are confused and think that he is or was a Muslim so...That will only dominish their equal insistence that he is Muslim at the same time..The real racists will never vote for Obama but who wants their votes anyway. They don't need an excuse not to vote against Obama.

The fact that this man was his minister for over twenty years isn't going to go away. And that this minister only resigned from his campaign after these remarks finally received attention is just one more potential of Obama being image over substance.

Somewhere tonight, Hillary is giggling like a schoolgirl.

As Mickey Kaus said earlier, the Jessie-fication of Obama is in full swing. With 5 weeks to go before PA, Hillary will define Obama to such an extent that his middle name will become Farrakhan. She will reveal him to be what he really is: a black nationalist Cook County hack, living on stolen rhetoric and stolen money.

Read and weep.

"Obama reveals Rezko played a bigger fundraising role (David Jackson, March 14, 2008, Chicago Tribune)"

By the time Hillary is done with Obama, he will not be fit enough to crawl back to Chicago. If you think the race card is hurting the party now, wait till you see the PA results, with blacks voting 95-5 for Obama and whites voting 85-15 for Hillary.

Don't worry, Hillary has more where all this is coming from.

They've just started to pour over the hours and hours of videos. I'm looking forward to the freeze frames of Barack cheering Wright on...

Or was Obama misleading America about the extent to which he attends church?

Unlike Ferraro's remarks catching everyone by surprise, Obama knew this was coming for months and he did nothing except close his eyes and hope it would go away. He kept Wright on the campaign, and just hoped the sh*t wouldn't hit the fan...

"Hope" - there it is again. Same false hope -- same result. This guy can't plan his way out of a tight parking spot, much less lead the nation.

Steve Crickmore, you say that Obama has an extensive knowledge of the Bible? What about his support of abortion? He voted for a bill that would make it legal for a girl to be transported across state lines for the purposes of getting an abortion. Is that in the Bible, because I could have sworn that God didn't support the killing of unborn children...

This is how Hillary will get the nomination:

"DEAN DNC NIGHTMARE: THREATS FROM DONOR$ AS DELEGATE DISPUTE GROWS

...
Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there."

Hillary's three-pronged campaign is in full swing: (1) destroy Obama's image, (2) seat FL and MI delegates as is (or re-primary, which she will dominate, and (3) get SDs to vote her in, based on 1 and 2 above.

Wright has been like this all along. Obama joined his church TWENTY YEARS AGO, was married by Wright, kids baptized there . . . and only now he's finding something objectionable?

The Obamaniacs are fooling themselves. Their man peaked too soon, and the hard questions are coming too late.

In my dream I heard Obama say: "Well these were just words, racist maybe but they in no way influenced my thinking in the 20 years that I heard them"

And I heard myself reply: "Just words Obama? Just words? If you did not believe these words had weight and meaning why did you contribute $20,000 to this man's ministry in the past year?"

The issue here is that the candidate whose only claim to public office is "good judgment" some how allowed himself and his young family to listen to this kind of corrosive diatribe and hate mongering for 20 long years.

I can only say I can't believe how long it took for this to get out. I guess we need some "racists" to work in our group to work hard like the Al Sharpton's, Jesse Jackson's and NAACP's of the other "racist" group...oops! I didn't say that - -- - -they are not racist HOW DARE I!!!!!DUH!!!!

IF Obama was that apalled by what his pastor had to say, and it was not the first time it came from his mouth, no amount of dedication to a MAN would have kept me in a church. So is it actually teh religion Obama is following or the BELIEFS of the church itself. I personally believe it's the beliefs of the church. The church has had thos smae beliefs for 20 years... And Obama has only learned of them now???? Come on, he's a lawyer for pete's sake.
The website for the church clearly states where their dedication lies, it is not to the UNITED STATES.... IT IS AFRICA AND THE BLACKS... GUESS WHERE THAT LEAVES THE WHITES IF HE GETS ELECTED!!!!!

COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP AND QUIT DEFENDING THIS MAN... I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THOSE MID WEST STATES VOTED FOR HIM. I KNEW HE'D WIN THE SOUTH BECAUSE OF THE RACISM, BUT COME ON THE REST OF YOU GUYS... YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WILL REALLY BE LIKE WHEN YOU GET CHANGE

FLIP ON YOUR TV AND WATCH THE GOINGS ON IN AFRICA OR LISTEN TO THE RACISM, THE CRIME AND THE OVERLOADED PRISONS IN THE SOUTH - COME ON AND VISIT - FOR JUST ONE MONTH; I CHALLENGE YOU!!! YOU WILL GO BACK WANTING CHANGE BUT IT WILL NOT BE OBAMA'S CHANGE YOU WANT---GUARANTEED.......

The Old Testament is riddled with commandments of hate and genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:10-17

When you (Moses) draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its male to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemy, which the Lord God has given to you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. In the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amoriotes, the Canaanites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded.

By most of the logic of the commenters' thinking here I suppose we should reject the entire Bible as well, for the indigestible bits, since the God of the Old Teastment is the same God as the one of the New Testament..I'm not without some sympathy to this opinion. But most of us. like Obama and 90% Americans find many parts of the Bible inspirational -i.e 'the audacity of hope', from Wright's sermons and ignore the other 10% of absolute horror.

Anyway, the real hate at Obama is directed not at Obama because many Americans view him, as member of Jeremiah's Wright's Baptist Church, but wish to portray him, despite all the the evidence to the contrary, as a Muslim. There seems a limit to how much you can criticize him as a dedicated parishoner in Jeremiah's Wright Church and a dedicated Muslim at the same time, but I'm sure that won't stop them from trying.

Most Americans understand that the Black Church has historically been the singular venue for venting such emotions of discrimination in America, and many of its leaders struggling for civil rights have been assassinated, Medger Evans, Martin Luther King by racists, or aren't most you aware of the power of the Ku Klux Klan in 20th century America. The last Ku Klux Klan official lynching was in 1981.

By way of comparison, see John McCain's spirtual advisors, the ones McCain is trying to court. Some like Magee are on his website, have always had a privileged postion at the head of the table, and want to maintain that position..Of course not much outrage there for some of their ravings.

Hillary as is her nature, courts both the Sharptons of the world and the white fundamentalists and unlike Obama, insists atheists and agnostics should have to swear to the pedge of allegiance 'under God'. She thinks that this 1950 pledge is constitutional...Obama, a constitutional lecturer, has much more sense than that.

Hate for America and 'white' Americans oozes from every word spoken by Hussein Obama and his wife. Was this their position before joining the most racist 'black KKK' church in America or did the Revrund Wright implant these ideas in weak minds? It's hard to go out and say I didn't hear anything the racist preacher said in 17-20 years of sitting in the pew. Didn't read the church bulletin either. Maybe an Islamist with a plan could set there that long and hear nothing, but not a normal person. Time for all of you apologist to get your head out of your A$$ and admit Hussein Obama is nothing more than a well educated con man and white hater.

Hillary will be the Democrat nominee folks, by hook or by crook, it will happen.

And while it will be difficult for me to stomach a vote for Hillary, i'd much rather see Hillary in office than McCain.

Sorry Obama but its a little late for you to recognize the values of your elderly uncle, friend and pastor. My Goodness what kind of church would even listen to a man that uses God's name in vain. Wanting God to damn America. Obama, what is wrong with you. You want to be president, Obama, me thinks not. Maybe in Latin America where they wear starchy red shirts. They understand your values and those of your elderly uncle. Ted Kennedy what were you thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swiftboat= to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about a democrat. Hussein's twenty year love relationship with the most racist preacher and church this side of Islam will not go away.

Senator Obama wrote a book about hope; he did not advocate hatred. It is unfair to hold him accountable for what Rev. Wright said. People are the Church and people are sinners because of the original sin by Adam and Eve. Rather than condemn the sinner, let us condemn the sin and pray for mercy and forgiveness for ourselves as well as our leaders. Not only should we pray for Rev. Wright but we should also pray for Pastor John Hagee (McCain Supporter who hates Catholics) Rev.Pat Robertson (called for assassination of Hugo Chavez) and the late Jerry Falwell.
As a devout Catholic, I am not proud of child molestation that got covered for a long long time by a few bad apples. Some of my fellow Catholics even considered not supporting the Catholic Church financially because they do not want to fund lawsuit settlement. Like Senator Obama, I feel closer to God and Jesus Christ at my Church and will continue to attend.

Obama's first mistake was petting the flat head of Abe Foxman of the ADL by even starting to do the Denouncement Roundelay. Did he think it would end with Farrakhan? Note the date on the following link. I don't think Foxman took a breath before "remembering": Oh! And your pastor, too! (One at a time is tastier anyway!)

http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c37_a2220/News/National.html

Now, as for the Friday (much-delayed) release and stampede, it likely is due to a confluence of events embarrassing to neoconservatives such as the collapse of Bear-Stearns on the very day that Bush was to speak at the Economic Club of New York, and the slugfest of an opening week to the 2008 Iraq-a-mole season. All sides now gifted with brand new US small arms and 782 gear. (D'OH!)

Or literally a dozen other portentous and meme-sinking events of late.

The next week will be interesting to see how things pan out noise-wise, though. The RW radio chickenhawks are even now strutting and jumping around the room with boners. You'd think they'd just talked Alyson Hannigan into taking 3 valium and spending the night. They are HEPPED UP!

p.s. Note: FARC-Obama connection being cobbled. See Raimondo at antiwar.com.

p.p.s. Why do I single out Foxman? Well, besides being a racist snitch, he gets things done. Example: how did the Waco siege begin? Before it was "gun running" or "drugs" or "child sex", it was the ADL's insistence that the Branch Davidians were a "hate group". Bush I and Clinton both paid heed. So he is a mean and relentless bastard and the myrmidons are afraid of him.