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Republicans for Hillary Should be Careful What They Vote For

It looks like Rush Limbaugh's legions of dittoheads have been making an impact on the Democratic presidential campaign according to John Wilson (an Obama supporter) at the HuffPost:

Approximately 25% of Clinton's voters in Mississippi were Republicans voting for a candidate they hate in order to try to undermine Barack Obama. Obama's 61-37 margin of victory in Mississippi would have been around 70-30 without Clinton's Republican voters, and Obama would have easily expanded his delegate win there from 19-14 to 24-9.

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That means that almost one-quarter of Clinton's votes in Mississippi came from Republicans, nearly all of whom hate Clinton but wanted to distort the results of the Democratic primary. By contrast, Obama's Republican vote, at 3%, was similar to his historical average throughout the primaries.

The exit polls in Mississippi proved that these "HillPublicans" are not sudden converts to the Clinton campaign. As this diary noted, 70% of those who have a strongly favorable opinion of McCain picked Clinton. In addition, 6% of the voters in the primary voted for Clinton and said they would be dissatisified if she won the nomination; only 1% of the primary voters went for Obama and said they would be dissatisfied if he won.

According to a Pew Research Poll in February, substantially more Republicans would support Obama (8%) rather than Clinton (5%) against McCain, so we know this voting is tactical.

Republicans who are voting for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that they despise her should be careful what they vote for. By throwing a lifeline to Hillary they have likely helped to extend her campaign which certainly would have been over if she had lost the Texas primary. Still, the electronic markets give her only about 1 in 4 odds of winning the nomination, but if she does I think she could very well beat John McCain in the fall.

If that happens, Americans might have Rush Limbaugh to thank for helping to make Hillary Clinton our president.

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Comments (11)

I almost want her to win ju... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I almost want her to win just to see the dittoheads explode.

Almost.

Larkin, you are in the tank... (Below threshold)
sam:

Larkin, you are in the tank for Obama, so I am sure you hate the protracted civil-war going on. Actually, I think it is a great move by Republicans. It accomplishes a lot of things:

1) Enables Hillary to go negative on Obama, not Republicans. Let Hillary raise Obama's negatives, and then the Republicans can pound on his liberalism in the Fall.

2) Instead of 6 months of the Dem candidate running against McCain, with luck, the Dem nominee will have 2 months of going after McCain. Allows McCain to stay above the fray and get his narrative in place, rather than defending against Dem attacks.

3) Drains Dem money.

4a) If Obama wins, the race card has already been played, and Latinos, Jews and blue-collar Dems defect to McCain

4b) If Clinton wins, blacks get disgusted with the race and at least stay home in sufficient numbers

Either 4a or 4b, about 20-25% of Dems could conceivably vote for McCain. Some polls already show 17-20% Dems considering McCain, and the longer the freak show goes on, the more the defection. I am sure you have seen the polls where almost 50% will never consider voteing for Hillary, and 45% will never consider voting for Obama. The prolonged battle will keep increasing that negative bias, not lessen it.

Where's the downside?

Where's the downside?</i... (Below threshold)

Where's the downside?

The downside is that the economy is going into the tank. The housing market is collapsing and panic is spreading in the financial industry. Banks are starting to collapse (Bear Stearns had to be bailed out today), inflation is heating up, the price of gasoline is soaring to over $4, and people are worried about losing their jobs and their health insurance.

And along comes John McCain who has no ability at all to connect with voters on economic issues. His entire resume is about national defense and foreign policy and he even has admitted himself he doesn't know much about the economy.

Elections are almost always about bread and butter issues (the economy). In this environment, any Republican candidate will be at a disadvantage since voters will be blaming George Bush for all of this. And then there's the minor issue of Iraq--a hugely unpopular war that looks to be getting worse. That won't help McCain either.

So from my standpoint, I don't think McCain has much of a chance to defeat either Democrat. Given that, Republicans voting for Hillary now may very well be responsible for getting her into the Oval Office.

I see no downside. Hmmmm..T... (Below threshold)
Dawnsblood:

I see no downside. Hmmmm..The Repub primary is over. The Dems have a tight race between two outright socalists. Both would be absolute disasters as President, so it goes to reason that bored repubs in open primaries vote for the Dem that is losing. It is not like either of them would be preferable anyways.

Larkin, are you a moron or ... (Below threshold)
sam:

Larkin, are you a moron or are you just trying to change subjects?

In your thread post, you were complaining about Republicans supporting Hillary and prolonging the Democratic civil-war. In your comment above, you are whining about the economy?

What's your stupid point? What's the connection? What is the connection between the economy and the fratricide within the Democratic Party?

Face it, you are scared s**t that Hillary is going to "steal" the nomination from Obama. Tough luck, welcome to the big leagues. Neither Obama nor Hillary won the nomination within the existing rules of your party, and Hillary is going to win it by making Obama totally inelectable. If you think the Rev. Wright is becoming a nuisance for Obama now, wait till June, when Hillary will have changed Obama's middle name to Farrakhan. (Whose minions are pushing the Rev. Wright connection, do you think?)

Hey, it's your stupid party, with Mr. Empty Suit and Mrs. Empty Pant-Suit clawing each other to death. They still haven't faced any questions about their baby-killing, gun-grabbing, tax-raising, anti-military, pro-gay, anti-American socialist "values" and votes. Wait till the real fun starts, when either of these two are not ensconsed within the coccoon of Democratic love-fest.

There is a reason liberals don't win presidential elections, and the two successful Democrats in the last 45 years have been middle-of-the-road moderate Southern governors.

Speaking of foriegn policy.... (Below threshold)
Kansas:

Speaking of foriegn policy...being that we are at war in the Middle East where women are less than second class citizens, I don't think we have asked ourselves the implications of a woman president. It is a practicle question.

And Larkin, just to give yo... (Below threshold)
sam:

And Larkin, just to give you more to think about. (Take with a grain of salt, plenty of time till election, one poll, yada yada yada):

Rasmussen Reports:

Ohio: McCain Leads Both Clinton and Obama by Six - Mar 13, 2008 (They were essentially tied before the Mar 4 primaries.)

Pennsylvania: McCain 44% Obama 43%, McCain 46% Clinton 44% - Mar 10, 2008

Michigan: McCain Leads Both Obama and Clinton by Three - Mar 10, 2008

Florida: McCain 53% Obama 37%, McCain 49% Clinton 43% - Feb 16, 2008

And, this is before the real contrast with the baby-killing, gun-grabbing, tax-raising, anti-military, pro-gay, anti-American socialist "values" and votes of the Empty Suit/Empty Pant-Suit has even started.

The Supers are watching.

What's your stupid point... (Below threshold)

What's your stupid point? What's the connection? What is the connection between the economy and the fratricide within the Democratic Party?

The point of my post was that Republicans voting for Hillary might end with her as president.

Let me explain again on the economy:
1. The economy sucks and it's getting worse
2. The economy is almost always the #1 issue in a presidential campaign.
3. The Republicans hold the presidency which means that voters will hold them responsible for the economy.
4. John McCain doesn't know much about the economy, can't speak to the issue and has no real plan how to help people who are hurting.

Therefore, my conclusion is that, as things stand right now, the Democratic nominee will be the heavy favorite to win in November (notwithstanding the polls that you've shown; it's no surprise that McCain will poll better in some states right now given the continuing battle on the Dem side). So be careful who you vote for unless you don't really see any difference between Hillary and Obama.

It's true that if Hillary pursues a course of fracturing the Democratic Party at the convention that will increase McCain's chances considerably. I think the odds of that are low and decreasing every day. In my latest post I show how Obama is pulling away in the national polls and the superdelegates are drifting towards him. Hillary threw the kitchen sink at Obama this month, and he still increased his lead in the delegate count. Her options are dwindling by the day and I think eventually the Democratic Party elders will get her to step aside rather than risk a civil war in August.

Want it all? defense and ec... (Below threshold)
John:

Want it all? defense and economy?
Does McCain/Romney sound competitive?
More to the point tho, The Dems are spending a lot of money on the primary. I hope the "hate fest" goes on for that reason even tho it makes me puke! These people are just the image America needs to portray as representative of a Democracy! (Pun intended)

The stupid Democrat party c... (Below threshold)
Freedomrings:

The stupid Democrat party can't even run a primary and they think they can run America?
AND they still haven't faced any questions about their baby-killing, gun-grabbing, tax-raising, anti-military, pro-gay, anti-American socialist "values" and votes.
(Sorry sam but it is too good not to copy/paste)!!!

Some good points are raised... (Below threshold)
John S:

Some good points are raised: Hillary can't run a political campaign, she certainly can't run the country. And Bill, the real president if they win, who was lucky enough to preside over the Dot Com boom and even luckier to be term limited before the crash (and 9/11), simply won't be so lucky in his third term.

Consider what the next president will face:

1) The Baby Boomers will lose their 401K savings as the major funds continue to fail.
2) The Boomers will lose the rest of their life savings when thousands of banks fail in the next few years.
3) FDIC insurance will make the losses good but only by the government creating 2 or 3 trillion new dollars. The FED created $300 billion for bailouts just this week!
4)Those new dollars will feed hyperinflation as our currency loses 90% of its current value -- the dollar lost 4% this week!
5) Think $4 gallon gasoline sucks. Wait until it costs $900 to fill your Hummer. Or $50 for a gallon of milk. Think you employer will be giving out 900% raises? In a global economy, think not.
6) Some time in the next four years Iran will nuke Israel. Think how much it will suck when you can't buy gasoline at any price. (I've got two Chinese-made bicycles stashed away.)

Personally I'd rather see this series of disasters blamed on the Clintons than on a Republican administration.




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